Hasbro’s SVP of Board Games, Brian Baker, joined journalist David Farrier’s Flightless Bird podcast to discuss the surprising origins of the game Chutes and Ladders – also known as Snakes and Ladders for many players outside the U.S.

Click below to listen to a fascinating conversation about international vs. American tabletop board game branding, game design and mechanics, inventor personalities, and more.

Listen on Apple Podcasts here.

Listen on Spotify here.